Registration of new charset ISO-8859-11

[Terje Bless]

Charset name: ISO_8859-11:2001

Charset aliases:
Alias: ISO-8859-11 (preferred MIME name)
Alias: ISO_8859-11
Alias: latin11
Alias: l11
Alias: csISOLatin11

Suitability for use in MIME text: Yes

Published specification(s):
<http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ISO8859/8859-11.TXT>

<http://www.iso.org/iso/en/CatalogueDetailPage.CatalogueDetail?
CSNUMBER=28263&ICS1=35&ICS2=40&ICS3=>

The mapping table at unicode.org provides sufficient definition of ISO/IEC
8859-11:2001 as a CES and CCS by defining the octet sequences that appear in the
charset, the equivalent UNICODE code points, and the UNICODE standard names of
the characters.

The formal specification is openly available from ISO for a fee.


ISO 10646 equivalency table:
http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ISO8859/8859-11.TXT

Additional information:
ISO/IEC 8859-11:2001 is the ISO standardized version of TIS-620 with the
addition of a Non-Breaking Space character at position 0xA0. It is an extension
of the ISO 8859 series of charset specifications, and covers characters used for
the Thai language.


Person & email address to contact for further information:
Terje Bless <***@pobox.com>

Intended usage: COMMON

[Frank Ellermann]

Post by Terje Bless
Alias: latin11
Alias: l11
Alias: csISOLatin11

I'm not sure about the aliases. Does the standard say "Latin
alphabet 11" ? I've found an old 1999 source, where the UCS
folks talked about "Latin-11" meaning 8859-11, but in later
sources the 8859 folks talk about "Latin/Thai" for 8859-11,
using "Latin-10" for 8859-16.

http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/MICSFT/WINDOWS/CP874.TXT
might be more relevant than 8859-11. I recall that somebody
from MS tried to register 874 last year, but the reviewer
didn't post here for years. Send your request to the IESG
if nothing happens after two weeks.

Frank

[Ned Freed]

Post by Terje Bless
Charset name: ISO_8859-11:2001

This isn't allowed as a primary name since it contains a colon. See RFC 2978
section 2.3 for specifics as to why this restriction exists.

Even if this were allowed I would not recommend that it be done this way. The
charset name needs to be the preferred name, again per section 2.3. You can
have ISO_8859-11:2001 as an alias, of course.

Post by Terje Bless
Alias: ISO-8859-11 (preferred MIME name)
Alias: ISO_8859-11
Alias: latin11
Alias: l11
Alias: csISOLatin11
Suitability for use in MIME text: Yes
<http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ISO8859/8859-11.TXT>
<http://www.iso.org/iso/en/CatalogueDetailPage.CatalogueDetail?
CSNUMBER=28263&ICS1=35&ICS2=40&ICS3=>

I'd be tempted to put the ISO reference first.

Post by Terje Bless
The mapping table at unicode.org provides sufficient definition of ISO/IEC
8859-11:2001 as a CES and CCS by defining the octet sequences that appear in the
charset, the equivalent UNICODE code points, and the UNICODE standard names of
the characters.
The formal specification is openly available from ISO for a fee.
http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ISO8859/8859-11.TXT
ISO/IEC 8859-11:2001 is the ISO standardized version of TIS-620 with the
addition of a Non-Breaking Space character at position 0xA0. It is an extension
of the ISO 8859 series of charset specifications, and covers characters used for
the Thai language.
Intended usage: COMMON

Other than the points raise above, this looks good to me.

Ned

[Terje Bless]

Post by Ned Freed

Post by Terje Bless
Charset name: ISO_8859-11:2001

This isn't allowed as a primary name since it contains a colon.

This was patterned on previous registrations of ISO 8859 series charsets.

Post by Ned Freed
I'd be tempted to put the ISO reference first.

The unicode.org reference was put first since it is freely available (does not
require a fee for access).


Here's a revised registration text taking into account the comments:

Charset name: ISO-8859-11

Charset aliases:
Alias: ISO_8859-11:2001
Alias: ISO_8859-11
Alias: latin11
Alias: l11
Alias: csISOLatin11

Suitability for use in MIME text: Yes

Published specification(s):
ISO/IEC 8859-11:2001 Information technology -- 8-bit single-byte coded graphic
character sets -- Part 11: Latin/Thai alphabet.
<http://www.iso.org/iso/en/CatalogueDetailPage.CatalogueDetail?
CSNUMBER=28263&ICS1=35&ICS2=40&ICS3=>


<http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ISO8859/8859-11.TXT>

The mapping table at unicode.org provides sufficient definition of ISO/IEC
8859-11:2001 as a CES and CCS by defining the octet sequences that appear in the
charset, the equivalent UNICODE code points, and the UNICODE standard names of
the characters.

The formal specification is openly available from ISO for a fee.


ISO 10646 equivalency table:
http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ISO8859/8859-11.TXT

Additional information:
ISO/IEC 8859-11:2001 is the ISO standardized version of TIS-620 with the
addition of a Non-Breaking Space character at position 0xA0. It is an extension
of the ISO 8859 series of charset specifications, and covers characters used for
the Thai language.


Person & email address to contact for further information:
Terje Bless <***@pobox.com>

Intended usage: COMMON

[Ned Freed]

Post by Terje Bless

Post by Ned Freed

Post by Terje Bless
Charset name: ISO_8859-11:2001

This isn't allowed as a primary name since it contains a colon.

This was patterned on previous registrations of ISO 8859 series charsets.

I suspected as much. Unfortunately a fair number of existing registrations have
glitches in them that should have been caught during the registration process
but weren't. Attempts have been made to clean up the mess but so far nobody has
pushed hard enough and long enough to actually get a useful result. Maybe
someday, but in the meantime the best we can do is make sure new
registrations are done correctly.

Post by Terje Bless

Post by Ned Freed
I'd be tempted to put the ISO reference first.

The unicode.org reference was put first since it is freely available (does not
require a fee for access).

Understood, however, the ISO reference is IMO the "definitive" one, which is
why I thought it should be first.

Post by Terje Bless
Charset name: ISO-8859-11
Alias: ISO_8859-11:2001
Alias: ISO_8859-11
Alias: latin11
Alias: l11
Alias: csISOLatin11
Suitability for use in MIME text: Yes
ISO/IEC 8859-11:2001 Information technology -- 8-bit single-byte coded graphic
character sets -- Part 11: Latin/Thai alphabet.
<http://www.iso.org/iso/en/CatalogueDetailPage.CatalogueDetail?
CSNUMBER=28263&ICS1=35&ICS2=40&ICS3=>
<http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ISO8859/8859-11.TXT>
The mapping table at unicode.org provides sufficient definition of ISO/IEC
8859-11:2001 as a CES and CCS by defining the octet sequences that appear in the
charset, the equivalent UNICODE code points, and the UNICODE standard names of
the characters.
The formal specification is openly available from ISO for a fee.
http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ISO8859/8859-11.TXT
ISO/IEC 8859-11:2001 is the ISO standardized version of TIS-620 with the
addition of a Non-Breaking Space character at position 0xA0. It is an extension
of the ISO 8859 series of charset specifications, and covers characters used for
the Thai language.
Intended usage: COMMON

This now looks fine to me, although I'm curious as to your response to the

Post by Terje Bless
I'm not sure about the aliases. Does the standard say "Latin
alphabet 11" ? I've found an old 1999 source, where the UCS
folks talked about "Latin-11" meaning 8859-11, but in later
sources the 8859 folks talk about "Latin/Thai" for 8859-11,
using "Latin-10" for 8859-16.
http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/VENDORS/MICSFT/WINDOWS/CP874.TXT
might be more relevant than 8859-11. I recall that somebody
from MS tried to register 874 last year, but the reviewer
didn't post here for years. Send your request to the IESG
if nothing happens after two weeks.

Personally I think we need to have both ISO-8859-11 and CP874 registered.

Ned

[Terje Bless]

Post by Ned Freed
This now looks fine to me, although I'm curious as to your response to the

Here's revised registration text taking into account the comments by Frank
Ellermann and Kenneth Whistler; dropping the "Latin 11" references and changing
the MIBEnum name to "csISO885911".


Charset name: ISO-8859-11

Charset aliases:
Alias: ISO_8859-11:2001
Alias: ISO_8859-11
Alias: csISO885911

Suitability for use in MIME text: Yes

Published specification(s):
ISO/IEC 8859-11:2001 Information technology -- 8-bit single-byte coded graphic
character sets -- Part 11: Latin/Thai alphabet.
<http://www.iso.org/iso/en/CatalogueDetailPage.CatalogueDetail?
CSNUMBER=28263&ICS1=35&ICS2=40&ICS3=>


<http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ISO8859/8859-11.TXT>

The mapping table at unicode.org provides sufficient definition of ISO/IEC
8859-11:2001 as a CES and CCS by defining the octet sequences that appear in the
charset, the equivalent UNICODE code points, and the UNICODE standard names of
the characters.

The formal specification is openly available from ISO for a fee.


ISO 10646 equivalency table:
http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ISO8859/8859-11.TXT

Additional information:
ISO/IEC 8859-11:2001 is the ISO standardized version of TIS-620 with the
addition of a Non-Breaking Space character at position 0xA0. It is an extension
of the ISO 8859 series of charset specifications, and covers characters used for
the Thai language.


Person & email address to contact for further information:
Terje Bless <***@pobox.com>

Intended usage: COMMON

[Kenneth Whistler]

Post by Terje Bless
Charset name: ISO-8859-11
Alias: ISO_8859-11:2001
Alias: ISO_8859-11
Alias: latin11
Alias: l11
Alias: csISOLatin11

I agree with the assessment that "latin11", "l11", and "csISOLatin11"
are inappropriate aliases to be registering at this time. The "latin1"
type monikers should apply to the 8859 parts that are
considered oriented specifically to the Latin script. As printed
in the text of 8859-11 itself, these consist of:

ISO/IEC 8859-1 Latin alphabet No. 1
ISO/IEC 8859-2 Latin alphabet No. 2
ISO/IEC 8859-3 Latin alphabet No. 3
ISO/IEC 8859-4 Latin alphabet No. 4
ISO/IEC 8859-9 Latin alphabet No. 5
ISO/IEC 8859-10 Latin alphabet No. 6
ISO/IEC 8859-13 Latin alphabet No. 7
ISO/IEC 8859-14 Latin alphabet No. 8
ISO/IEC 8859-15 Latin alphabet No. 9

to which can also be added:

ISO/IEC 8859-16 Latin alphabet No. 10

Note the asynchrony in the series past Latin-4, because 8859-5 is
a *Cyrillic* alphabet, and so on.

--Ken

Post by Terje Bless
ISO/IEC 8859-11:2001 Information technology -- 8-bit single-byte coded graphic
character sets -- Part 11: Latin/Thai alphabet.
<http://www.iso.org/iso/en/CatalogueDetailPage.CatalogueDetail?
CSNUMBER=28263&ICS1=35&ICS2=40&ICS3=>